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2011-11-15 CHATLOG

MEMO
TO:     Bob Ketner, Tech Museum
FR:     Rik Panganiban
RE:     Chatlog from Second Life Virtual Tech Test Zone Conference

Please find below the raw chatlog of the Second Life version of the Tech Test Zone Conference on November 15, 2011, from about 9am to 5pm.  In addition I have pulled some interesting quotes from the chatlog for your reference.

QUESTIONS AND QUOTES DURING THE CONFERENCE

ON THE MAGIC BEHIND EXHIBITS

TR Amat (from the UK) on Seeing the Tech Behind Exhibits
TR Amat: QUESTION: Is the technology still visible, for those who are interested in it?
Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): TR Amat, which technology?
TR Amat: The technology that makes the museum exhibits "magic".
Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I'm not sure he's talking about any particular exhibit. He was speaking from a more conceptual level.
TR Amat: I was asking about the conceptual level of making the presentation tech visible to those interested. In a museum I like to know what I'm looking at, and how the presentation works. Adds to the fun...

ON DIGITAL FOAM APPLICATIONS

Bjorlyn Loon: I wonder whether this design could be used to make sculpties

Alizarin Goldflake: digital prototyping… digital 3 D printing… any 3 D thing…  from art to something functional

ON EYE-TRACKING APPLICATIONS

Bjorlyn Loon: sharing your own visual narrative in real time

Bjorlyn Loon: lol this is even another layer!!! seeing something through someone's eyes on video, in real life, streamed into second life… tell me thats easy to wrap head around

Lnn Nishi: Would eye tracking be useful for people who cannot see very well? I wonder if it can sharpen images so people can see clearer with "glasses"

Chimera Cosmos: In visualization research it's used to find out whether students, etc. are looking where you expect or want them to look in a visualization.

techiedavid: the eye jumps around so much there will have to be some filtering on where the viewer is "settled" on

Alaya Chépaspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): it can bea very good tool for people who dont have their hands, anymore, to use the web, those who uses some head set, with a sort of tool attached to it,

On RFID APPLICATIONS

techiedavid: a school can keep track of where the kids went and be sure they see everything that they wanted and not just fooled around in the cafeteria or outside

Alaya Chépaspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): Q :were the participant traveling in different contry, and climats, getting a global perspective?did they get a new perspective from it?

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): it would be nice to have it across institutions

Alaya Chépaspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): and for later online looginh in the museum??

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): so you could track learning from place to place, earn badges, points, etc

techiedavid: a univeral card for all museums would be great

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): the Smithsonian would be a great place for this since they are like 20 museums

Alaya Chépaspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): online card, to come in,,,

techiedavid: I remember look at an art exhibit at the UCLA Hammer and saw a picture that I though I saw at the Getty. It would have been nice to have a history that I could have cross checked.

Alaya Chépaspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): there was something similar , traveling throught the world and getting stamps ina passeport in ottawa museum, and we could havea litle list of material to find out,and kids were very very invalve with their parents, and learning a lot

GENERAL TAKEAWAYS

Alizarin Goldflake: i got - start with the dream… start with the impractical… then get the technology

Lnn Nishi: Reachin to the entire famiyly.... other ways of reaching people who are not comfortable with technology too.... multiple ways of going after the same goal

GENERAL FEEDBACK

Several participants asked if there were going to be made available reports, slides, links, and other lists of resources from the conference.

Alizarin Goldflake: this is my 8th hour at this conference on line…  first i was in reaction.. which totally didnt work. Pathfinder and co didnt have the video… it was just a chat room.. i was kind of surprised he didnt have the video… so the deal was have the channel going on the internet and then chat about it in JIBE. this experience at Tech Virtual is far superior

Alizarin Goldflake: good job :)… please give my thanks to Agent Bob :)

RAW CHATLOG
TECH TEST ZONE CONFERENCE
NOVEMBER 15 2011
THE TECH 2 SIM, SECOND LIFE

[2011/11/15 09:17]  Bjorlyn Loon: 5ey RIk
[2011/11/15 09:17]  Bjorlyn Loon: Hey even
[2011/11/15 09:17]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): hiya
[2011/11/15 09:17]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): is it here?
[2011/11/15 09:18]  Bjorlyn Loon: I think so
[2011/11/15 09:18]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I don't see a screen?
[2011/11/15 09:18]  Bjorlyn Loon: me either
[2011/11/15 09:18]  Bjorlyn Loon: sec
[2011/11/15 09:23]  Anastasios Aurotharius: so now what?
[2011/11/15 09:24]  Anastasios Aurotharius: I've been walking around for an hour
[2011/11/15 09:24]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): oh I'm sorry
[2011/11/15 09:25]  Second Life: Teleport completed from http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/The%20Tech/125/155/30
[2011/11/15 09:29]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): looks like this is the place
[2011/11/15 09:29]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I'll start to tweet out this location in SL
[2011/11/15 09:29]  Bjorlyn Loon: yep
[2011/11/15 09:29]  Bjorlyn Loon: Ill brb.
[2011/11/15 09:31]  Cindy Bolero: k so the prim screen is live
[2011/11/15 09:36]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): HI EVERYONE
[2011/11/15 09:36]  TR Amat: Hi
[2011/11/15 09:36]  Anastasios Aurotharius: hello
[2011/11/15 09:36]  Bjorlyn Loon: hi
[2011/11/15 09:36]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): http://twitter.com/rikomatic
[2011/11/15 09:47]  Anastasios Aurotharius: pardon, Bjorlyn
[2011/11/15 09:47]  Cindy Bolero: out of prims you'll have to sit on ground or stand
[2011/11/15 09:47]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): that looks fine
[2011/11/15 09:48]  Cindy Bolero: turning off rezz now
[2011/11/15 09:48]  Anastasios Aurotharius: are we having fun yet?
[2011/11/15 09:48]  TR Amat: Have you turned on your video?
[2011/11/15 09:49]  Anastasios Aurotharius: there are three large screens
[2011/11/15 09:50]  TR Amat: OK, I see the feed on three screens now.
[2011/11/15 09:51]  Anastasios Aurotharius: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/the-tech-virtual
[2011/11/15 09:51]  Anastasios Aurotharius: you can also watch on the web
[2011/11/15 09:54]  Anastasios Aurotharius: does anyone know where things start?
[2011/11/15 09:54]  TR Amat: 9am was advertised as the meet and greet, I think.
[2011/11/15 09:57]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): hi all
[2011/11/15 09:57]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): sorry about the lack of chairs
[2011/11/15 09:57]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): but welcome!
[2011/11/15 09:58]  Fer Fackler: is this the same video stream as the ustream feed?
[2011/11/15 09:59]  A&A Bebe Hair 5: Fullbright ON now
[2011/11/15 10:03]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): looks like we are starting
[2011/11/15 10:03]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): thanks for coming everyone
[2011/11/15 10:04]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): ping me if you can't see or hear the stream
[2011/11/15 10:08]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): hey that's us!
[2011/11/15 10:09]  Second Life: Removal of the object 'Cornell Chair  LF' from the simulator is disallowed by the permissions system.
[2011/11/15 10:13]  Bjorlyn Loon: hi all
[2011/11/15 10:13]  Pizzica Culetto-Ketsu_Breaker: Usage(‰Ωø„ÅÑÊñπ)Ôºö http://sl.zenryokuhp.com/ketsubreaker.html
[2011/11/15 10:14]  TR Amat: Hi Bjorlyn
[2011/11/15 10:15]  Bjorlyn Loon: hey TR nice to see you :)
[2011/11/15 10:16]  Bjorlyn Loon: Hi Lnn!
[2011/11/15 10:17]  TR Amat: Distributed museums sound an interesting idea...
[2011/11/15 10:18]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Who is here in San Jose, or where are you logged in from?
[2011/11/15 10:18]  Lnn Nishi: los angeles, CA
[2011/11/15 10:19]  Fer Fackler: I'm in Bloomington, Indiana
[2011/11/15 10:19]  TR Amat: I'm in the UK, the MIdlands. It is 6:20pm, here.
[2011/11/15 10:20]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): now speaking: ‚ÄúThe Phydgital InterSpace, The Next Generation of Museum User Experience‚Äù by Christopher Stapleton
[2011/11/15 10:21]  Bjorlyn Loon: Im in San Jose
[2011/11/15 10:21]  TR Amat: No PostIts in SL? :)
[2011/11/15 10:22]  TR Amat: Traditionally you put a funny hat and bells on the sacred cow. :)
[2011/11/15 10:22]  Lnn Nishi: yeah, just notecatrds :/
[2011/11/15 10:23]  Lnn Nishi: or tip the cow?
[2011/11/15 10:23]  TR Amat: Do Notecards in SL get to the conference?
[2011/11/15 10:23]  Bjorlyn Loon: if you hand them to us, yes
[2011/11/15 10:23]  Bjorlyn Loon: Ill put them up as postits on the board
[2011/11/15 10:24]  Lnn Nishi: Cool! Hi Bjorlyn :)
[2011/11/15 10:24]  Bjorlyn Loon: how ya doin, Lnn
[2011/11/15 10:24]  Lnn Nishi: Ok , thanks
[2011/11/15 10:24]  Bjorlyn Loon: so nice to see you
[2011/11/15 10:24]  Lnn Nishi: Likewise :)
[2011/11/15 10:25]  TR Amat: Experiential makeover...
[2011/11/15 10:25]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): FYI if you are tweeting the hashtag is #ttz2011
[2011/11/15 10:26]  Bjorlyn Loon: relogging
[2011/11/15 10:27]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): how is the audio and video for people?
[2011/11/15 10:28]  Nany (nany.kayo): Good.
[2011/11/15 10:28]  Nany (nany.kayo): Looking good.
[2011/11/15 10:28]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): thansk
[2011/11/15 10:31]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Phydgital interface
[2011/11/15 10:31]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): nice
[2011/11/15 10:40]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): any questions from SL?
[2011/11/15 10:41]  Bjorlyn Loon: or post its for the wall?
[2011/11/15 10:42]  TR Amat: QUESTION: Is the technology still visible, for those who are interested in it?
[2011/11/15 10:42]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): After this there is a break until 11:30 as people here at the museum go visit the new Tech Test Zone
[2011/11/15 10:42]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): TR Amat, which technology?
[2011/11/15 10:43]  TR Amat: The technology that makes the museum exibits "magic".
[2011/11/15 10:43]  TR Amat: exhibits*
[2011/11/15 10:44]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I'm not sure he's talking about any particular exhibit. He was speaking from a more conceptual level.
[2011/11/15 10:44]  TR Amat: I was asking about the conceptual level of making the presentation tech visible to those interested.
[2011/11/15 10:45]  TR Amat: In a museum I like to know what I'm looking at, and how the presentation works.
[2011/11/15 10:45]  TR Amat: Adds to the fun...
[2011/11/15 10:46]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): gotcha
[2011/11/15 10:46]  TR Amat: I remember visiting the Science Museum, in LOndon UK, as a kid. Endlessly fascinating.
[2011/11/15 10:48]  Bjorlyn Loon: crashy me!
[2011/11/15 10:48]  Lnn Nishi: wb
[2011/11/15 10:48]  Bjorlyn Loon: thanks
[2011/11/15 10:49]  Bjorlyn Loon: taking a few snaps... doesn't help!
[2011/11/15 10:49]  Lnn Nishi: That happens to me too especially when I ramp up the graphics
[2011/11/15 10:50]  Bjorlyn Loon: good question, TR!
[2011/11/15 10:51]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I hope that was close?
[2011/11/15 10:52]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): We'll be back in about 40 minutes
[2011/11/15 10:52]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I'll also be tweeting at @betterverse about what is happening
[2011/11/15 10:52]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): see you back here in about 40 minutes
[2011/11/15 10:56]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): reogging
[2011/11/15 10:56]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): be back soon
[2011/11/15 11:29]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): hi folks
[2011/11/15 11:29]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): we are about to get started again
[2011/11/15 11:29]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): thanks for your patient
[2011/11/15 11:29]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): patience
[2011/11/15 11:31]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): next talk: "Augmented Reality: High-level Landscape of AR Solutions Key Players and Ecosystem Enablers‚Äù by Ana Rosario, Human Factors Engineer, Intel
[2011/11/15 11:32]  Bjorlyn Loon: hi again everyone!
[2011/11/15 11:32]  Bjorlyn Loon: evryone getting video okay?
[2011/11/15 11:32]  Alizarin Goldflake: yes
[2011/11/15 11:33]  Valerie Evanier: i am
[2011/11/15 11:33]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): great
[2011/11/15 11:33]  Valerie Evanier: is this live?
[2011/11/15 11:34]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): yes
[2011/11/15 11:36]  Bjorlyn Loon: this may be a little hard to see
[2011/11/15 11:36]  Bjorlyn Loon: social collaborative
[2011/11/15 11:36]  Bjorlyn Loon: indivdual pivate
[2011/11/15 11:36]  Bjorlyn Loon: localized pop ups
[2011/11/15 11:36]  Bjorlyn Loon: virtual reality
[2011/11/15 11:44]  Bjorlyn Loon: this is very interesting, and a little scary too
[2011/11/15 11:44]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): CrowdOptic is pretty wild
[2011/11/15 11:45]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): hard not to think about Occupy
[2011/11/15 11:45]  Bjorlyn Loon: yeah exactly
[2011/11/15 11:47]  Bjorlyn Loon: I wonder whether the goggles could help me keep from tripping over my laptop cord!
[2011/11/15 11:47]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): probably make it more likely
[2011/11/15 11:47]  Bjorlyn Loon: ha
[2011/11/15 11:47]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): :)
[2011/11/15 11:47]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Any questions for our speaker?
[2011/11/15 11:47]  Valerie Evanier: this is so cool
[2011/11/15 11:48]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Please provide your name and location in the RW if you like
[2011/11/15 11:48]  Bjorlyn Loon: I like the auras one.
[2011/11/15 11:48]  Bjorlyn Loon: What was that called, RIk?
[2011/11/15 11:48]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): not sure
[2011/11/15 11:48]  Valerie Evanier: i like the virtual historical experience
[2011/11/15 11:48]  Alizarin Goldflake: Rik can you give a list in chat of the different ARs she discussed?
[2011/11/15 11:49]  Bjorlyn Loon: together they would be valuable
[2011/11/15 11:49]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Valerie, me too!
[2011/11/15 11:49]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I can ask her to provide her slides?
[2011/11/15 11:49]  Valerie Evanier: i think the potential of this stuff in education is awesome
[2011/11/15 11:49]  Alizarin Goldflake: yes please
[2011/11/15 11:49]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): the ones I remember: CrowdOptic, TagWhat, StreetMuseum and Augmented Reality Cinema.
[2011/11/15 11:49]  Bjorlyn Loon: for example, Nany, on the Trail of Tears, one could leave messages for ones family, and also pull up historical data, could connect through geneology
[2011/11/15 11:53]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): we are going to do our best to get the slides and links to projects mentioned posted later.
[2011/11/15 11:53]  Bjorlyn Loon: the idea of locationally specific websites is interesting
[2011/11/15 11:55]  Alizarin Goldflake: Rik, could you ask her the list the various APs?
[2011/11/15 11:57]  Bjorlyn Loon: We'll be breaking for a half hour for lunch.
[2011/11/15 11:57]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Macys Magic Mirror
[2011/11/15 11:57]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20019548-1.html
[2011/11/15 11:57]  Bjorlyn Loon: then back at 12:30 PAC for "Bringing Fingertip Scuplting to the Digital Artist"
[2011/11/15 11:58]  Bjorlyn Loon: does everyone have access to the schedule?
[2011/11/15 11:58]  Lnn Nishi: thanks for the info
[2011/11/15 11:58]  Lnn Nishi: ywa, got it in an email
[2011/11/15 11:58]  Bjorlyn Loon: http://testzone2011.eventbrite.com/?utm_source=eb_email&utm_medium=email...
[2011/11/15 11:58]  Lnn Nishi: yes*
[2011/11/15 11:58]  Bjorlyn Loon: for those who do not have it
[2011/11/15 11:59]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): FYI I am also tweeting out about this conference at @betterverse
[2011/11/15 11:59]  Alizarin Goldflake: what was the name of the ap to hover over a person to get info?
[2011/11/15 11:59]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): the hashtag is #ttz2011
[2011/11/15 12:00]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Alizarin: I think its called "second life"
[2011/11/15 12:00]  Alizarin Goldflake: :)
[2011/11/15 12:00]  Bjorlyn Loon: Rik made a joke!
[2011/11/15 12:00]  Bjorlyn Loon: :D
[2011/11/15 12:01]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I try not to make a habit of it
[2011/11/15 12:02]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): right now we are breaking for lunch in 30 minutes
[2011/11/15 12:03]  Lnn Nishi: Wonder what we're having?
[2011/11/15 12:05]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): be back soon
[2011/11/15 12:35]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): ‚ÄúBringing Fingertip Sculpting Techniques to the Digital Artist‚Äù by Ross Smith, PhD
[2011/11/15 12:35]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): that's who is speaking now
[2011/11/15 12:43]  Bjorlyn Loon: hi chimera!
[2011/11/15 12:43]  Bjorlyn Loon: welcome
[2011/11/15 12:44]  Bjorlyn Loon: the feed is on video
[2011/11/15 12:44]  Chimera Cosmos: Hi Alizarin -- long time no see!
[2011/11/15 12:44]  Alizarin Goldflake: yes :)
[2011/11/15 12:44]  Chimera Cosmos: Hi Bjorlyn
[2011/11/15 12:44]  Chimera Cosmos: Rik
[2011/11/15 12:44]  Alizarin Goldflake: nice to see you!
[2011/11/15 12:44]  Chimera Cosmos: I ran across pics from the workshop you did on making the blue tank recently Alizarin
[2011/11/15 12:45]  Chimera Cosmos: cool deal
[2011/11/15 12:45]  Bonafide Aries (bonafidenutts.aries): TY Rik
[2011/11/15 12:45]  Chimera Cosmos: yup
[2011/11/15 12:45]  Alizarin Goldflake: was*
[2011/11/15 12:45]  Bjorlyn Loon: I wonder whether this design could be used to make sculpties
[2011/11/15 12:45]  Alizarin Goldflake: oh wow - that wa a long time ago!
[2011/11/15 12:45]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): w'ere learning about digital foam
[2011/11/15 12:45]  Alizarin Goldflake: that is what I am wondering!
[2011/11/15 12:45]  Chimera Cosmos: digital foam?
[2011/11/15 12:45]  Chimera Cosmos: hmmm
[2011/11/15 12:45]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): lol
[2011/11/15 12:45]  Chimera Cosmos: I think of foam as being pretty analog hehe
[2011/11/15 12:45]  Alizarin Goldflake: sure would be the blender UI
[2011/11/15 12:45]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): and when will we find digital mirror
[2011/11/15 12:46]  Alizarin Goldflake: beat*
[2011/11/15 12:46]  Chimera Cosmos: looks kinda like 3D Printing
[2011/11/15 12:46]  Bjorlyn Loon: the inventor was sitting at my table
[2011/11/15 12:46]  Bjorlyn Loon: seems like an obvious application
[2011/11/15 12:47]  Bjorlyn Loon: he had never seen SL before
[2011/11/15 12:47]  Bjorlyn Loon: Ill have to show him sculpties before the day is over
[2011/11/15 12:47]  Alizarin Goldflake: wow
[2011/11/15 12:47]  Alizarin Goldflake: yes!
[2011/11/15 12:47]  Chimera Cosmos: nice accent
[2011/11/15 12:47]  Chimera Cosmos: Aussie or Kiwi?
[2011/11/15 12:48]  Alizarin Goldflake: aussie
[2011/11/15 12:48]  Alizarin Goldflake: Univ So Au
[2011/11/15 12:48]  Chimera Cosmos: Zed Brush *grin*
[2011/11/15 12:49]  Alizarin Goldflake: I wonder if he knows about blender
[2011/11/15 12:50]  Bjorlyn Loon: now that is an interestng application
[2011/11/15 12:50]  Alizarin Goldflake: i have an rl friend who teaches medical simulators
[2011/11/15 12:50]  Bonafide Aries (bonafidenutts.aries): vool
[2011/11/15 12:50]  Alizarin Goldflake: andhe goes to australia
[2011/11/15 12:51]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): what are some possible applications of digital foam?
[2011/11/15 12:51]  Alizarin Goldflake: wonder if he knows the speaker
[2011/11/15 12:51]  Alizarin Goldflake: digital prototyping
[2011/11/15 12:51]  Bjorlyn Loon: TR .... robots!
[2011/11/15 12:51]  Alizarin Goldflake: digital 3 D printing
[2011/11/15 12:52]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): but to produce what?
[2011/11/15 12:52]  Alizarin Goldflake: any 3 D thing
[2011/11/15 12:52]  Alizarin Goldflake: from art to something functional
[2011/11/15 12:52]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): well yeah but who and how would it be used?
[2011/11/15 12:52]  Chimera Cosmos: Is there a link to info on the RL event?
[2011/11/15 12:53]  Chimera Cosmos: sorry if I missed one earlier...
[2011/11/15 12:53]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): http://testzone2011.eventbrite.com/
[2011/11/15 12:53]  Chimera Cosmos: thanks!
[2011/11/15 12:53]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Sorry Chimera
[2011/11/15 12:53]  Alizarin Goldflake: well now they have the ability to 3D print jet plane wings!
[2011/11/15 12:53]  Bjorlyn Loon: well, I was thinking about something Ive been working on with mountain lion feet
[2011/11/15 12:53]  Bjorlyn Loon: we want an exhibit to show how different terrain affects the tracks an animal leaves behind
[2011/11/15 12:54]  Alizarin Goldflake: i have a ring that was designed via cadcam and the prototype for the mold was 3 D printed
[2011/11/15 12:54]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): what are some possible applications of digital foam?
[2011/11/15 12:54]  Bjorlyn Loon: you could create a digital surface sensitive to presure, and use varying covrs to demo
[2011/11/15 12:54]  Alizarin Goldflake: yes it dies
[2011/11/15 12:54]  Bjorlyn Loon: if that makes any sense
[2011/11/15 12:54]  Alizarin Goldflake: does!
[2011/11/15 12:54]  Bjorlyn Loon: questions for the speaker?
[2011/11/15 12:54]  Alizarin Goldflake: sorry!
[2011/11/15 12:54]  Bjorlyn Loon: glad you understand alz
[2011/11/15 12:55]  Alizarin Goldflake: ask him if he has thought of interfacing digital foam with 3 d software like blender
[2011/11/15 12:55]  Bjorlyn Loon: you could then show a representation of actually walking through a forest on the screen for example
[2011/11/15 12:55]  Alizarin Goldflake: yes you could
[2011/11/15 12:55]  Alizarin Goldflake: Q for the speaker: ask him if he has thought of interfacing digital foam with 3 d software like blender
[2011/11/15 12:56]  Bjorlyn Loon: he answered that I think, showed how it was used with a couple of 3d software programs
[2011/11/15 12:56]  Bjorlyn Loon: rik?
[2011/11/15 12:56]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): yes he did
[2011/11/15 12:56]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): that's right
[2011/11/15 12:56]  Alizarin Goldflake: oops missed that
[2011/11/15 12:56]  Bjorlyn Loon: again for the mountain lion
[2011/11/15 12:57]  Bjorlyn Loon: you could have someone on the foam pad, and try to leap across a divide on the screen
[2011/11/15 12:57]  Bjorlyn Loon: how far can you jump kind of thing
[2011/11/15 12:57]  Chimera Cosmos: so which of you are there in RL too?
[2011/11/15 12:58]  Bjorlyn Loon: Rik and I and Stina
[2011/11/15 12:58]  Chimera Cosmos: cool
[2011/11/15 12:58]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): this is what i was wondering while watching to the room
[2011/11/15 12:58]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): you can see me in the front wearing a vest
[2011/11/15 12:58]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): lol
[2011/11/15 12:58]  Chimera Cosmos: who are the "most famous" folks in the room?
[2011/11/15 12:58]  Chimera Cosmos: whose names we might know...
[2011/11/15 12:58]  Chimera Cosmos: heh
[2011/11/15 12:58]  Chimera Cosmos: Well, Rik of course. ;-)
[2011/11/15 12:58]  Bjorlyn Loon: that's stina talking now
[2011/11/15 12:58]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): who is holding the camera
[2011/11/15 12:58]  Bjorlyn Loon: I forgot her real life name
[2011/11/15 12:59]  Bjorlyn Loon: oops her SL name
[2011/11/15 12:59]  Chimera Cosmos: "I think it's called haptics" LOL
[2011/11/15 12:59]  Bjorlyn Loon: do you know, Rik?
[2011/11/15 12:59]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): who is the camera person? no
[2011/11/15 13:02]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): hands puppeting maybe, not full avatar i guess
[2011/11/15 13:03]  Chimera Cosmos: not so new
[2011/11/15 13:03]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): next presentation: ‚ÄúPixel -Using Eye Tracking to Engage and Educate Your Audience‚Äù by John MacDuffie Woodburn and Matt Miller
[2011/11/15 13:03]  Chimera Cosmos: used in visualization research for years and years
[2011/11/15 13:03]  Chimera Cosmos: maybe new at museums
[2011/11/15 13:04]  techiedavid: I wish they would use more unique names than pixel and digital clay - to generic
[2011/11/15 13:05]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): i was thinking about glasses , too, wow, it s existing
[2011/11/15 13:05]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): amazing
[2011/11/15 13:06]  Bjorlyn Loon: the museum actually has each of these in the new gallery
[2011/11/15 13:06]  Bjorlyn Loon: this one's the largest... its interesting, but I had trouble wrapping my head around it
[2011/11/15 13:06]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): ahaha
[2011/11/15 13:07]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): it helps if you watch someone else using it
[2011/11/15 13:07]  Bjorlyn Loon: sharing your own visual narrative in real time
[2011/11/15 13:08]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I'm sure lots of interesting gender-differences
[2011/11/15 13:09]  Bjorlyn Loon: lol this is even another layer!!! seeing something through someone's eyes on video, in real life, streamed into second life
[2011/11/15 13:09]  Bjorlyn Loon: tell me thats easy to wrap head around
[2011/11/15 13:09]  Alizarin Goldflake: hehe
[2011/11/15 13:10]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I think there's a scene from City of Lost Children about that
[2011/11/15 13:10]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): kind of disturbing
[2011/11/15 13:11]  Bjorlyn Loon: I have trouble understanding the added value of this one as different from just video
[2011/11/15 13:12]  Bjorlyn Loon: both media capture the individual's focus
[2011/11/15 13:13]  Bjorlyn Loon: I do understand that it captures expert focus
[2011/11/15 13:13]  Lnn Nishi: Would eye tracking be useful for people who cannot see very well? I wonder if it can sharpen images so people can see clearer with "glasses"
[2011/11/15 13:14]  Chimera Cosmos: In visualization research it's used to find out whether students, etc. are looking where you expect or want them to look in a visualization.
[2011/11/15 13:14]  techiedavid: the eye jumps around so much there will have to be some filtering on where the viewer is "settled" on
[2011/11/15 13:14]  Chimera Cosmos: or an image in a text book even
[2011/11/15 13:15]  Chimera Cosmos: do they attend to the relevant parts?
[2011/11/15 13:15]  Chimera Cosmos: Often the answer is "No" - particularly in complex images
[2011/11/15 13:15]  Chimera Cosmos: the data is collected over time
[2011/11/15 13:15]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): it can bea very good tool for people who dont have their nads, anymore, to use the web, those who uses some head set, with a sort of tool attached to it,
[2011/11/15 13:15]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): hands**
[2011/11/15 13:16]  Chimera Cosmos: Eye tracking devices in research, I mean
[2011/11/15 13:17]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): for injurd people, to give information on a pad, for example, when they cannott talk or moove
[2011/11/15 13:21]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): good idea
[2011/11/15 13:21]  Chimera Cosmos: Is that a palm tree sticking through the screen? heheh
[2011/11/15 13:22]  Alizarin Goldflake: yes heheh
[2011/11/15 13:22]  Alizarin Goldflake: also a pine tree
[2011/11/15 13:22]  Bjorlyn Loon: yes it is :)
[2011/11/15 13:22]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): now presenting: ‚ÄúRFID-enabled Interactive Exhibits by Tamara Schwarz‚Äù
[2011/11/15 13:22]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): now tracking palm tree,,,,
[2011/11/15 13:23]  Bjorlyn Loon: I was really looking forward to this one.
[2011/11/15 13:23]  Alizarin Goldflake: :))
[2011/11/15 13:25]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Describing Bill Nyes Climate Lab at Chabot Space and Science Center
[2011/11/15 13:27]  Bjorlyn Loon: creating avatars cool!
[2011/11/15 13:28]  techiedavid: hmmm could code languge into the card also so the display languge would change
[2011/11/15 13:28]  Bjorlyn Loon: yes, for children vs adults for example
[2011/11/15 13:28]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): good idea for the language
[2011/11/15 13:28]  Bjorlyn Loon: or return visitors, more depth
[2011/11/15 13:29]  techiedavid: yes
[2011/11/15 13:29]  Bjorlyn Loon: ahh, I meant text, you meant language
[2011/11/15 13:29]  Bjorlyn Loon: but both!
[2011/11/15 13:30]  Bjorlyn Loon: they use a similar system here at the Tech Musum by the way
[2011/11/15 13:30]  techiedavid: the personalized display
[2011/11/15 13:30]  Bjorlyn Loon: for example, in the new gallery, you can actually take a screen shot of your infrared camera image of yourself and send it via email to yourself at home
[2011/11/15 13:31]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): Q are they trafveling in diferent contry, and climats?
[2011/11/15 13:35]  Alizarin Goldflake: i wish the audio and video were better synched
[2011/11/15 13:36]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): good , its promissing
[2011/11/15 13:37]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): any questions for our speaker?
[2011/11/15 13:39]  techiedavid: a school can keep track of where the kids went and be sure they see everything that they wanted and not just fooled around in the cafeteria or outside
[2011/11/15 13:40]  Alizarin Goldflake: surveillance
[2011/11/15 13:40]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): thanks techiedavid. Where are you logging in from
[2011/11/15 13:40]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): ?
[2011/11/15 13:40]  techiedavid: Compton, CA
[2011/11/15 13:40]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): thanks
[2011/11/15 13:40]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): Q :were the participant traveling in different contry, and climats, getting a global perspective?did they get a new perspective from it?
[2011/11/15 13:41]  Bjorlyn Loon: true, david, could create actual scholastic requirements within a museum field trip
[2011/11/15 13:41]  Bjorlyn Loon: good point
[2011/11/15 13:41]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Alaya, what participants?
[2011/11/15 13:41]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): in the climate change project?
[2011/11/15 13:41]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): the one who uses the scout id game
[2011/11/15 13:41]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): ok
[2011/11/15 13:42]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): and where are you logging in from Alaya?
[2011/11/15 13:42]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): if I can ask?
[2011/11/15 13:42]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): canada
[2011/11/15 13:42]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): thanks!
[2011/11/15 13:42]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): bw
[2011/11/15 13:42]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): :)
[2011/11/15 13:44]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): i wish i can soon
[2011/11/15 13:47]  Bjorlyn Loon: yikes!
[2011/11/15 13:51]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): oh it wasnt about tracking,in rl, it was inside game, traveling though diferent contry,,, but it dosnt matter, thnaks for the answer,:))
[2011/11/15 13:52]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): yeah sorry I don't think she really understood. I probably did a bad job of expressing your question
[2011/11/15 13:53]  Bjorlyn Loon: I think it would be harder to inegrate rfid once people left the museum... tracking whether they follow up on the website
[2011/11/15 13:53]  Bjorlyn Loon: etc
[2011/11/15 13:53]  Bjorlyn Loon: than say using bar codes
[2011/11/15 13:54]  Bjorlyn Loon: or qr codes
[2011/11/15 13:54]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): yu did it ok, rik, maybe i should have kept the first form of my question myself, when i asked it the first time, but its good to know, about the tracking of people regions of the world too..
[2011/11/15 13:54]  techiedavid: rfid tag can have both a barcode/qr or number that is assigned to it for later manual use if needed
[2011/11/15 13:54]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): techiedavid: true
[2011/11/15 13:55]  Bjorlyn Loon: right, so you have to create both
[2011/11/15 13:55]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): it would be nice to have it across institutions
[2011/11/15 13:55]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): and for later online looginh in the museum??
[2011/11/15 13:55]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): so you could track learning from place to place, earn badges, points, etc
[2011/11/15 13:55]  Bjorlyn Loon: I think I recall the Tech saying they were trying that across several California museums, Rik
[2011/11/15 13:55]  Bjorlyn Loon: dont remember when
[2011/11/15 13:56]  techiedavid: a univeral card for all museums would be great
[2011/11/15 13:56]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): the Smithsonian would be a great place for this
[2011/11/15 13:56]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): online card, to come in,,,
[2011/11/15 13:56]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): since they are like 20 museums
[2011/11/15 13:57]  techiedavid: I remember look at an art exhibit at the UCLA Hammer and saw a picture that I though I saw at the Getty. It would have been nice to have a history that I could have cross checked.
[2011/11/15 13:58]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Bob is saying nice things about you alls!
[2011/11/15 13:58]  Alizarin Goldflake: grin :)
[2011/11/15 13:58]  techiedavid: we paid him
[2011/11/15 13:58]  Bjorlyn Loon: and well-deserved
[2011/11/15 13:58]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): haha
[2011/11/15 13:58]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): there was something similar , traveling throught the world and getting stamps ina passeport in ottawa museum, and we could havea litle list of material to find out,and kids were very very invalve with their parents, and learning alot
 [2011/11/15 13:58]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): but not ona computer
[2011/11/15 13:59]  Chimera Cosmos: Who is speaking? I don't see his name over his head. heheh
[2011/11/15 13:59]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Robert Ketner is the conf organizer
[2011/11/15 13:59]  Alizarin Goldflake: how does the Tech keep the SL content appropriate for kids?
[2011/11/15 13:59]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): ok, stretching time
[2011/11/15 13:59]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): :))
[2011/11/15 13:59]  Lnn Nishi: HEHE THAT WOULD BE GREAT cHIMERA :)
[2011/11/15 13:59]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): stretch your avatar
[2011/11/15 13:59]  Bjorlyn Loon: that is Bob Ketner, who is also the Tech's representative for second life
[2011/11/15 13:59]  Chimera Cosmos: what's his avatar name?
[2011/11/15 13:59]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): lol
[2011/11/15 13:59]  Lnn Nishi: caps sorry
[2011/11/15 14:00]  Alizarin Goldflake: Rik, how does the Tech keep the SL content appropriate for kids?
[2011/11/15 14:00]  Chimera Cosmos: Is that Agent Heliosense?
[2011/11/15 14:00]  Chimera Cosmos: or someone new
[2011/11/15 14:00]  Mechan Skytower: cant pry the kids away from the virtual world and their avatars....did you hear that!
[2011/11/15 14:00]  Bjorlyn Loon: yes, thats agent
[2011/11/15 14:00]  Chimera Cosmos: ah thought so
[2011/11/15 14:00]  Bjorlyn Loon: :)
[2011/11/15 14:00]  Alizarin Goldflake: which one is Agent?
[2011/11/15 14:01]  Bjorlyn Loon: brb
[2011/11/15 14:01]  Chimera Cosmos: who said SL is running there
[2011/11/15 14:01]  Bjorlyn Loon: the last guy was bob ketner, agent
[2011/11/15 14:01]  Alizarin Goldflake: oh i thought that was bob
[2011/11/15 14:01]  Chimera Cosmos: same :-)
[2011/11/15 14:01]  Chimera Cosmos: RL/SL
[2011/11/15 14:01]  Alizarin Goldflake: oh!
[2011/11/15 14:01]  Chimera Cosmos: heheh
[2011/11/15 14:01]  Alizarin Goldflake: ty :)
[2011/11/15 14:01]  Bjorlyn Loon: and SL was running in an old version because I believe philip had it running here before it ever went online
[2011/11/15 14:01]  Bjorlyn Loon: some history there
[2011/11/15 14:02]  Bjorlyn Loon: brb
[2011/11/15 14:02]  Chimera Cosmos: ah the alpha
[2011/11/15 14:02]  Chimera Cosmos: I suppose
[2011/11/15 14:02]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): next speaker: "Possibilities and Perils: How New Technologies in Museums Win and How they Fail" by Sasha Harris-Cronin
[2011/11/15 14:02]  Chimera Cosmos: the last guy
[2011/11/15 14:02]  Mechan Skytower: sweet :)
[2011/11/15 14:03]  Mechan Skytower: I didn't get the part about assigning some grad students to try to figure out why kids are intersted?
[2011/11/15 14:03]  Mechan Skytower: is this rocket science?
[2011/11/15 14:05]  Chimera Cosmos: I thought he was being ironic about how kids get it fast but grad students don't ;-)
[2011/11/15 14:05]  Mechan Skytower: oh...is that it? lol
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[2011/11/15 14:05]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): ¬ø¬øHein¬ø Quoi¬ø Hein¬ø Kesser √ßa¬ø¬ø
[2011/11/15 14:05]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): ??Quoi? Hein? Hein? Kes'tu veux??
[2011/11/15 14:05]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): ¬ø¬ø Hein¬ø Hein¬ø Quoi¬ø Quoi¬ø Quoi¬ø¬ø
[2011/11/15 14:05]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): ??Hu? Hu? Hein? Hu? Hein??
[2011/11/15 14:05]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): ¬ø¬øQuoi¬ø Hu¬ø Hein¬ø
[2011/11/15 14:06]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): this wasa stretching in chat
[2011/11/15 14:07]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): what just happened?
[2011/11/15 14:07]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): what did I miss?
[2011/11/15 14:07]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): oh lol
 [2011/11/15 14:07]  Chimera Cosmos: Chimera Cosmos grabs door
[2011/11/15 14:09]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): presenting now : ‚ÄúHow to get People off the Couch and Interact with the World with Augmented Reality Games‚Äù by Rick Ernst
[2011/11/15 14:14]  Bjorlyn Loon: hey alisa
[2011/11/15 14:15]  Alizarin Goldflake: Hi Alisa :)
[2011/11/15 14:15]  Alisa Cleanslate: hey Bjorlyn
[2011/11/15 14:15]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): welcome
[2011/11/15 14:15]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): i lost the video now
[2011/11/15 14:15]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): we are learning about augmented reality games
[2011/11/15 14:16]  Bjorlyn Loon: alizarin, you asked about how they handle the issues of kids using SL at the Tech
[2011/11/15 14:16]  Alizarin Goldflake: Bjorlyn, how does the Tech keep the SL content appropriate for kids?
[2011/11/15 14:16]  Alizarin Goldflake: yes snap!
[2011/11/15 14:16]  Bjorlyn Loon: its an old version, and operative only in the tech
[2011/11/15 14:16]  Alizarin Goldflake: oh like OS local?
[2011/11/15 14:16]  Bjorlyn Loon: my recollection is that Phillip showed SL to the people at the Tech before SL ever came online
[2011/11/15 14:16]  Alizarin Goldflake: wow!
[2011/11/15 14:16]  Bjorlyn Loon: he was on the board for a time
[2011/11/15 14:17]  Bjorlyn Loon: and so there is a long relationship
[2011/11/15 14:17]  Alizarin Goldflake: that is interesting!
[2011/11/15 14:17]  Bjorlyn Loon: he spoke her a few years ago, when they did the first Tech Virtual exhibit design challenge
[2011/11/15 14:17]  Bjorlyn Loon: here
[2011/11/15 14:17]  Alizarin Goldflake: very cool
[2011/11/15 14:17]  Matt2 Ultsch: it is cool
[2011/11/15 14:17]  Alizarin Goldflake: those were the good old days
[2011/11/15 14:18]  Chimera Cosmos: DOS techie pronunciation of dos equis?
[2011/11/15 14:18]  Bjorlyn Loon: :)
[2011/11/15 14:18]  Chimera Cosmos: heh
[2011/11/15 14:18]  toBe Destiny: the work that is being done , also on creating the cognitive architecture for social media
[2011/11/15 14:18]  Misha Thistle: Hi Chimera
[2011/11/15 14:19]  Chimera Cosmos: hey!
[2011/11/15 14:19]  toBe Destiny: this cognitive architecture may allow social media use to evolve beyond games...
[2011/11/15 14:19]  Chimera Cosmos: Live from the St. Louis Science Center?
[2011/11/15 14:20]  toBe Destiny: and to thus address those elements of social value which might bring "us" back into some type of "natural " alignment
[2011/11/15 14:20]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): is that where you are, chimera?
[2011/11/15 14:20]  Chimera Cosmos: STL yes
[2011/11/15 14:20]  Chimera Cosmos: and Misha is from here too
[2011/11/15 14:20]  toBe Destiny: .. the point is that we develop in an unequal way.. perhaps
[2011/11/15 14:21]  toBe Destiny: very positive development of virtual worlds, but is there a possible cognitive, shared cognitive, dimension that is not being developed ... so far
[2011/11/15 14:24]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): for cog it would be things like EEG and a group or pair doing a single function together. Another way is in things like puzzles that need more than one to complete.
[2011/11/15 14:26]  toBe Destiny: or one could use what is called ontology, a computer representation of the elements of thought
[2011/11/15 14:27]  toBe Destiny: i agree the the neuroscience will lead us here, as we understand how to create "social brain" mechanisms
[2011/11/15 14:27]  Bjorlyn Loon: interesting you mention ontologies, destiny, Im in the ontology phase of developing a knowledge base for a nonprofit
[2011/11/15 14:27]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): that spell casting game sounds fun
[2011/11/15 14:27]  Bjorlyn Loon: yeah, it does, doesn't it, Rik
[2011/11/15 14:28]  toBe Destiny: well, RDF and OWL ontology has some real advances in the past ten years, but still are too largely influnced by the false notions from AI
[2011/11/15 14:28]  toBe Destiny: the work I had done on the social brain is at:
[2011/11/15 14:29]  Bjorlyn Loon: i bet the libraries loved that
[2011/11/15 14:29]  toBe Destiny: http://www.liftingpedagogy.com/pdf/MathematicsEducationProposal.pdf
[2011/11/15 14:29]  Bjorlyn Loon: LOL
[2011/11/15 14:29]  Matt2 Ultsch: sounds intense
[2011/11/15 14:30]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): you can also doo mood based things and coupling with multiple people in a 3D sim
[2011/11/15 14:30]  toBe Destiny: if anyone would like to talk with me about these notions that a brain for social media might in fact in early in a natural evolution
[2011/11/15 14:30]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): http://www.emotiv.com/
[2011/11/15 14:30]  toBe Destiny: mood linking is of interest
[2011/11/15 14:30]  toBe Destiny: but the idea is that a single coherence "narrative" might develop and persist independant of whose is in the group at a moment
[2011/11/15 14:30]  Chimera Cosmos: "every single one"? I doubt that LOL
[2011/11/15 14:31]  Chimera Cosmos: there are zillions
[2011/11/15 14:32]  toBe Destiny: .. our central problem might be that our educaitonal system has all but failed to deliver the science we have about behavioral neuroscience
[2011/11/15 14:32]  toBe Destiny: so even having a discussion about "the social brain" in a virtual environemtn is made very hard
[2011/11/15 14:32]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): each will have there own niches also they like. So good diversity is going to help a lot also
[2011/11/15 14:32]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): its a very young science aanyway
[2011/11/15 14:32]  Bjorlyn Loon: hmmm perhaps we've failed to make the learning fun
[2011/11/15 14:32]  toBe Destiny: it is too often thought that the discussion cannot be directed at core issues
[2011/11/15 14:32]  toBe Destiny: i think that leanring and fun
[2011/11/15 14:33]  toBe Destiny: shoudl be seen as very different
[2011/11/15 14:33]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): i guess learning isnt fun anymore, fora lot of people
[2011/11/15 14:33]  toBe Destiny: that that making "education" into "games" is a serious mistake
[2011/11/15 14:33]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): that dosnt mean game,s but fun
[2011/11/15 14:33]  toBe Destiny: education is far more complex than entertainment
[2011/11/15 14:33]  Bjorlyn Loon: to me, education IS entertainment
[2011/11/15 14:33]  Alizarin Goldflake: yes making education into games is dumbing down
[2011/11/15 14:33]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): pleasure and afects are linked to the social brain is it
[2011/11/15 14:34]  qwerty Aria: different people like to learn different things, thats why many find it boring and annoying to be learnt what they don't want to learn
[2011/11/15 14:34]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): games are a form of learning
[2011/11/15 14:34]  toBe Destiny: (do not mean to be serious about this, but really - the idea of making learning fun might be a really really bad concept)
[2011/11/15 14:34]  toBe Destiny: and may be part of why we have this continuing crisis in American education
[2011/11/15 14:34]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): learning can be both enjoyable and hard
[2011/11/15 14:34]  Alizarin Goldflake: learning is its own kind of fun
[2011/11/15 14:34]  Bjorlyn Loon: I have to agree eith Rik... there is no reason not to make games out of learning and learning out of games
[2011/11/15 14:34]  Chimera Cosmos: yes, if it's learning with a purpose
[2011/11/15 14:34]  toBe Destiny: learning is it own type of achievement
[2011/11/15 14:34]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): i am sorry but fun is waht brought me here, and its fun to learn what was demonstrated today here
[2011/11/15 14:34]  Chimera Cosmos: that you value
[2011/11/15 14:34]  qwerty Aria: learning is fun as long as there is reward for it :-p
[2011/11/15 14:35]  toBe Destiny: well, when you say there is no reason
[2011/11/15 14:35]  Alizarin Goldflake: and Rik I agree that you can learn a lot from games
[2011/11/15 14:35]  Bjorlyn Loon: dont apologize, alaya
[2011/11/15 14:35]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): learning is fun in itself
[2011/11/15 14:35]  toBe Destiny: are you open to question this?
[2011/11/15 14:35]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): yes but so much better to learn when it's fun and also engaging. It even imprints with a heavier mimetic nural weight
[2011/11/15 14:35]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): its a way of saying, bjorling, , not really an apology:))
[2011/11/15 14:35]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): next speaker: "Possibilities and Perils: How New Technologies in Museums Win and How they Fail" by Sasha Harris-Cronin
[2011/11/15 14:35]  toBe Destiny: there in fact may be a cogntiive load that is developed, a type of dependancy on the "fun"
[2011/11/15 14:36]  toBe Destiny: we live in a social world where we vlaue often the wrong things...
[2011/11/15 14:36]  toBe Destiny: being entertained by a commerical process might also be a means to extract wealth form many
[2011/11/15 14:36]  Chimera Cosmos: sounds very Calvinistic or Puritanistic toBe
[2011/11/15 14:36]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): i dont think we have to go back to dorian theory and lydian about emotions and seriousness
[2011/11/15 14:36]  Alizarin Goldflake: i see sense in what ToBe says
[2011/11/15 14:36]  toBe Destiny: so that there is a deep argument that if educators do not see the vast difference betwene being entertained and actually learning
[2011/11/15 14:36]  Chimera Cosmos: depends -- everything in moderation
[2011/11/15 14:37]  toBe Destiny: then we are in trouble
[2011/11/15 14:37]  Alizarin Goldflake: i was in educational publishing a long time ago and that was a huge mistake they made
[2011/11/15 14:37]  toBe Destiny: moderation
[2011/11/15 14:37]  toBe Destiny: yes
[2011/11/15 14:37]  Chimera Cosmos: and it pays to be flexible
[2011/11/15 14:37]  toBe Destiny: we supply games
[2011/11/15 14:37]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): there is a line between only entertaining and relative pleasure to learn
[2011/11/15 14:37]  Chimera Cosmos: in our thinkning
[2011/11/15 14:37]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): yes chimera
[2011/11/15 14:37]  toBe Destiny: not in a moderate way
[2011/11/15 14:37]  toBe Destiny: but in a way that is adictive
[2011/11/15 14:37]  Chimera Cosmos: and learning is good!
[2011/11/15 14:37]  Chimera Cosmos: heh
[2011/11/15 14:37]  Chimera Cosmos: learning moderation
[2011/11/15 14:37]  toBe Destiny: learning how to excape into an illustion may be made fun
[2011/11/15 14:38]  toBe Destiny: for example
[2011/11/15 14:38]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): my son is having fun to learn in architecture, but if it was only serious he woudnt like it as much
[2011/11/15 14:38]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): moderation for seriousness is good too
[2011/11/15 14:38]  Chimera Cosmos: yeah, kids have to be kids part of the time -- maybe all of it
[2011/11/15 14:38]  toBe Destiny: ... we say these thypes of things Alaya, but really do we mean something
[2011/11/15 14:39]  toBe Destiny: types
[2011/11/15 14:39]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): lol
[2011/11/15 14:39]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): maybe he can tell yu
[2011/11/15 14:39]  toBe Destiny: do you really know, or are we all caught into a tyep of false agreement
[2011/11/15 14:39]  toBe Destiny: including him
[2011/11/15 14:39]  toBe Destiny: and you
[2011/11/15 14:39]  toBe Destiny: and etc
[2011/11/15 14:39]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): we are permanent learner here, continuous learner, so we mean something
[2011/11/15 14:39]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): chimera ask a old person if they feel like a kid at times. I don't think we lose that inner child so to say
[2011/11/15 14:39]  Chimera Cosmos: since it's impossible to know, we all just have to do the best we can
[2011/11/15 14:39]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): fun is part of it
[2011/11/15 14:39]  toBe Destiny: sigh
[2011/11/15 14:39]  toBe Destiny: ..blessing all
[2011/11/15 14:40]  Chimera Cosmos: Glass half full vs glass half empty
[2011/11/15 14:40]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): feel free to discuss whatever here. But might want to focus on what the speaker is talking about .
[2011/11/15 14:40]  Alizarin Goldflake: yes I cant follow both!
[2011/11/15 14:40]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): In case you want to ask a question or comment to her later.
[2011/11/15 14:40]  qwerty Aria: ugh I am at very wrong place (game programmer)... and I strongly disagree on taking out fun out of learning, eh...
[2011/11/15 14:41]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): pleasure is always an aspect of why we do things in the world
[2011/11/15 14:41]  Matt2 Ultsch: would love to go to these museums
[2011/11/15 14:41]  Bjorlyn Loon: I think most agree that learning should be fun, qwerty
[2011/11/15 14:41]  Bjorlyn Loon: you are in the right place
[2011/11/15 14:41]  Chimera Cosmos: indeed
[2011/11/15 14:41]  toBe Destiny: the brain stem is what drives this"pleasure"
[2011/11/15 14:42]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): especially programming, indeed, i realised tha ti liked to build pcs,, something that was not even suspected, before, everybody told me it was serious,, i liked it so much that i never stoped doing it for 15 years
[2011/11/15 14:42]  toBe Destiny: but in reality the neuroscience indicates that this drive manifest in many ways
[2011/11/15 14:42]  Alizarin Goldflake: fascinating but ...
[2011/11/15 14:42]  Chimera Cosmos: What Rik? You wish to control the SL backchannel? heheh
[2011/11/15 14:42]  Bjorlyn Loon: wow the parachute thing is excellent!
[2011/11/15 14:42]  Chimera Cosmos: Lots of luck
[2011/11/15 14:43]  toBe Destiny: the problem, some of us have, is the giving pleasure is all too often linked with other things such as consuption
[2011/11/15 14:43]  Matt2 Ultsch: thakns everybody! life interrupts
[2011/11/15 14:43]  toBe Destiny: so there is little learning about how to be part of a social world that is not harming balances
[2011/11/15 14:43]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): thanks for coming Matt2
[2011/11/15 14:44]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): well, depression is the load of to much seriousness, a good balance, is necessary
[2011/11/15 14:44]  toBe Destiny: self seerving
[2011/11/15 14:44]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): "people assume that all screens are touch screens"
[2011/11/15 14:44]  Alizarin Goldflake: that is fascinating
[2011/11/15 14:45]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): i lost the video, is it still running?
[2011/11/15 14:45]  toBe Destiny: .... the absence of seriousness of the right type is perhaps a greater problem that is regarding without this community
[2011/11/15 14:45]  toBe Destiny: yes
[2011/11/15 14:46]  toBe Destiny: nice talk
[2011/11/15 14:46]  Chimera Cosmos: yes still running
[2011/11/15 14:46]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): ah i have to relog again,
[2011/11/15 14:46]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): brb
[2011/11/15 14:47]  toBe Destiny: i wonder if the idea of creating content using her work could be thought of in any other way other than "creating games"
[2011/11/15 14:47]  toBe Destiny: i think so
[2011/11/15 14:47]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): http://research.nokia.com/news/12134
[2011/11/15 14:48]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): she isn't talking about games
[2011/11/15 14:48]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): that was the previous speaker
[2011/11/15 14:48]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): she's talking about museum exhibits that she has designed
[2011/11/15 14:48]  toBe Destiny: limit it
[2011/11/15 14:48]  toBe Destiny: smiles
[2011/11/15 14:49]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): interfacing is part of the game structure, though a lot can also be hooked or such into existing systems and code structures
[2011/11/15 14:49]  toBe Destiny: yes, this is what is being set up, a "new world out there"
[2011/11/15 14:49]  toBe Destiny: in the words of TRON
[2011/11/15 14:50]  toBe Destiny: virtual frontier
[2011/11/15 14:50]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): Pfft tron is to little in scope. We will want a lot more to match the diversity of people
[2011/11/15 14:51]  toBe Destiny: there are some deep thougths in the movie
[2011/11/15 14:51]  toBe Destiny: and yes, no one see s yet where this going
[2011/11/15 14:51]  Chimera Cosmos: spouse is a huge Darwin fan - would love to go there
[2011/11/15 14:52]  Bjorlyn Loon: I got to visit BEFORE the opening
[2011/11/15 14:52]  Bjorlyn Loon: was very cool
[2011/11/15 14:52]  Chimera Cosmos: cool
[2011/11/15 14:52]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): sounds like a really cool museum
[2011/11/15 14:53]  Bjorlyn Loon: check it out if you go to London, Rik
[2011/11/15 14:53]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I might be there soon!
[2011/11/15 14:54]  Chimera Cosmos: sweet
[2011/11/15 14:54]  Chimera Cosmos: I agree with her on that -- I hate having to keep track of a paper thing
[2011/11/15 14:55]  Chimera Cosmos: maybe they need a system to re-issue for returning visitors
[2011/11/15 14:56]  Bjorlyn Loon: that was helpful
[2011/11/15 14:57]  Bjorlyn Loon: for me anyway
[2011/11/15 14:57]  Alizarin Goldflake: who hasnt spoken yet - jim spadaccinni?
[2011/11/15 14:58]  Alizarin Goldflake: yes
[2011/11/15 14:58]  Bjorlyn Loon: if you are interested in joining the SL group
[2011/11/15 14:58]  Fer Fackler: if you haven't heard of Open Exhibits - check it out: www.openexhibits.org
[2011/11/15 14:58]  Chimera Cosmos: ice cream!
[2011/11/15 14:59]  Chimera Cosmos: Chimera Cosmos wants
[2011/11/15 14:59]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): sorry no ice cream in SL!
[2011/11/15 14:59]  ice cream?
[2011/11/15 14:59]  Bjorlyn Loon: and prototyping exhibits in SL
[2011/11/15 14:59]  Chimera Cosmos: bah
[2011/11/15 14:59]  Bjorlyn Loon: the group is Tech Exhibit Designers
[2011/11/15 14:59]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): next speaker: ‚ÄúOpen Exhibits ‚Äì Community Software for Multitouch and Motion Recognition‚Äù by Jim Spadaccini
[2011/11/15 15:00]  Chimera Cosmos: froze
[2011/11/15 15:00]  Chimera Cosmos: is it just me?
[2011/11/15 15:00]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): it froze here too
[2011/11/15 15:01]  Alizarin Goldflake: yep frozen for me
[2011/11/15 15:01]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): I can still move here
[2011/11/15 15:01]  Chimera Cosmos: no the video
[2011/11/15 15:01]  Alizarin Goldflake: no the video
[2011/11/15 15:01]  Chimera Cosmos: is frozen
[2011/11/15 15:01]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): the video only froze
[2011/11/15 15:01]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): now its fine
[2011/11/15 15:01]  Chimera Cosmos: not us heheh
[2011/11/15 15:01]  Alizarin Goldflake: did the internet channel freeze?
[2011/11/15 15:01]  Lnn Nishi: ustream is still streaming with sound
[2011/11/15 15:01]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): might want to stop and restart
[2011/11/15 15:01]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): Ah yep the video keeps freezing on me also
[2011/11/15 15:02]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): the stream can come back, by toggling the video icone, on the botom of the screen sometime
[2011/11/15 15:02]  Chimera Cosmos: yeah click on/off/on worked
[2011/11/15 15:02]  Alizarin Goldflake: on off - Yay!
[2011/11/15 15:02]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): this is the last speaker for you guys I think
[2011/11/15 15:02]  Chimera Cosmos: icon in upper right if you are on viewer 2 or 3
[2011/11/15 15:02]  Bjorlyn Loon: touch it and it will give you a cone!
[2011/11/15 15:02]  Bjorlyn Loon: Ive rezzed an ice cream cart
[2011/11/15 15:02]  Bjorlyn Loon: so yes, there is ice cream in SL
[2011/11/15 15:02]  Chimera Cosmos: nice!
[2011/11/15 15:02]  Acedia Albion: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/the-tech-virtual
[2011/11/15 15:03]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): do yu want some chimera?
[2011/11/15 15:03]  Acedia Albion: if you dont want to miss it
[2011/11/15 15:03]  Chimera Cosmos: chocolate too :-)
[2011/11/15 15:03]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): all sort here
[2011/11/15 15:04]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): multitouch should be good for architecture creation too
[2011/11/15 15:05]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): tactile and MOCAP into games almost realtime will be some of the next sweet things
[2011/11/15 15:06]  Chimera Cosmos: definitely a huge ice cream heheh
[2011/11/15 15:07]  Bjorlyn Loon: sorry for the excitable floating ice cream cart
[2011/11/15 15:07]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): yes I almost said some thing about how big that is
[2011/11/15 15:07]  Bjorlyn Loon: I had to attach it to me so it moves :D
[2011/11/15 15:07]  Second Life: video screens smpte for stage owned by Cindy Bolero gave you 'How to See Video and Event Ettiquette'  ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/The%20Tech%202/123/103/35 ).
[2011/11/15 15:07]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): I would love to see some one balance that tall a icecream stack in RL
[2011/11/15 15:08]  Chimera Cosmos: hah
[2011/11/15 15:08]  Chimera Cosmos: would have to be in a cold place like San Francisco!
[2011/11/15 15:09]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): but would be funner to see in a desert hot area
[2011/11/15 15:09]  Chimera Cosmos: slimemmmmm
[2011/11/15 15:09]  Chimera Cosmos: we have those flickr things in SL too!
[2011/11/15 15:10]  Tip (tipsterx): sorry
[2011/11/15 15:11]  Clear cold water: whispers: Water is life, water is our bond, Laborious Aftermath.   Blessed be Shai Halud!
[2011/11/15 15:12]  Bjorlyn Loon: cool stuff
[2011/11/15 15:12]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): this is a pretty neat open source system for creating multi-touch exhibits
[2011/11/15 15:15]  techiedavid: I install apps for muesums if they have it listed
[2011/11/15 15:16]  Second Life: ice cream cart that gives icecream owned by Bjorlyn Loon gave you 'chocolate cone'  ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/The%20Tech%202/128/131/32 ).
[2011/11/15 15:17]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): techiedavid: you are apparently the exception
[2011/11/15 15:18]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): See openexhibits.org/heist for more info.
[2011/11/15 15:19]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): i dont have an url, actually to download, it,,,,
[2011/11/15 15:20]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): can i use my university url?
[2011/11/15 15:21]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): are they using ELO/Tyco touch screens?
[2011/11/15 15:22]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): any final questions or comments for our speaker?
[2011/11/15 15:23]  Bjorlyn Loon: after the ice cream break, we'll be seeing an hour long workshop
[2011/11/15 15:23]  Bjorlyn Loon: did you already tell them Rik?
[2011/11/15 15:23]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): mm, i hope we get that, in architecture
[2011/11/15 15:23]  Alizarin Goldflake: can you describe the workshop?
[2011/11/15 15:23]  Alizarin Goldflake: will we be able to see whats goingon?
[2011/11/15 15:23]  Bjorlyn Loon: Experiential Makeover for Learning
[2011/11/15 15:23]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I think it might actually be about this space in SL
[2011/11/15 15:23]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): and how to make it over to be more effective
[2011/11/15 15:24]  Alizarin Goldflake: oh wow!
[2011/11/15 15:24]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I'll find out more
[2011/11/15 15:24]  Alizarin Goldflake: that sounds interesting
[2011/11/15 15:24]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I don't know tho how much this will be audible for you
[2011/11/15 15:24]  Bjorlyn Loon: the workshop facilitator, Christopher Stapleton, has taken museum "problem" exhibits from the audience here
[2011/11/15 15:24]  Alizarin Goldflake: will we be able to see what's going on in the workshop?
[2011/11/15 15:24]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I don't know yet
[2011/11/15 15:24]  Bjorlyn Loon: and well be working on improving them
[2011/11/15 15:24]  Bjorlyn Loon: we will talk to the AV folks during the break and let you know
[2011/11/15 15:24]  Alizarin Goldflake: k
[2011/11/15 15:24]  Alizarin Goldflake: ty
[2011/11/15 15:25]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): KK
[2011/11/15 15:25]  Bjorlyn Loon: maybe they can focus in on one table, not sure what the plan is
[2011/11/15 15:25]  Bjorlyn Loon: Im gonna log then for now
[2011/11/15 15:25]  Bjorlyn Loon: back in 30
[2011/11/15 15:26]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): going to another chat and will bring alt in for this in a few to split a few of these up and still get the info
[2011/11/15 15:26]  Chimera Cosmos: heh
[2011/11/15 15:27]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): mmm
[2011/11/15 15:27]  Chimera Cosmos: spoiling my dinner
[2011/11/15 15:27]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): be back soon
[2011/11/15 15:27]  Chimera Cosmos: see you all
[2011/11/15 15:27]  Chimera Cosmos: have to go to RL
[2011/11/15 15:27]  Lnn Nishi: Later
[2011/11/15 15:27]  Alizarin Goldflake: bye Chimera
[2011/11/15 15:27]  Alizarin Goldflake: good to see you
[2011/11/15 15:28]  Rapture Trendscendence (coolskill): hi
[2011/11/15 15:28]  Rapture Trendscendence (coolskill): wat is this place?
[2011/11/15 15:28]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): welcome to the Tech Virtual in SEcond Life
[2011/11/15 15:28]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): the virtual space for the real world Tech Museunm in San Jose
[2011/11/15 15:28]  Rapture Trendscendence (coolskill): hi alarm clock
[2011/11/15 15:28]  Alizarin Goldflake: rofl
[2011/11/15 15:28]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): hi coolskill
[2011/11/15 15:29]  Rapture Trendscendence (coolskill): watr u guys doing?
[2011/11/15 15:29]  Alizarin Goldflake: listening to a tech conference from rl
[2011/11/15 15:29]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): its time for ice cream pose
[2011/11/15 15:29]  Rapture Trendscendence (coolskill): ice cream?
[2011/11/15 15:29]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): but we were watching direct conference with the tech in the museum
[2011/11/15 15:29]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): and yu can ask them question too coolskill
[2011/11/15 15:30]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): open yur video stream
[2011/11/15 15:30]  Lnn Nishi: Thanks for the chocolate ice cream!
[2011/11/15 15:30]  Rapture Trendscendence (coolskill): bbl
[2011/11/15 15:30]  Rapture Trendscendence (coolskill): gotta run
[2011/11/15 15:30]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): byby
[2011/11/15 15:31]  Lnn Nishi: Later Rapture
[2011/11/15 15:31]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): he is a designer, hope he comes back, i gave him the url of the last groups page
[2011/11/15 15:32]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): http://openexhibits.org/
[2011/11/15 15:50]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): FYI here's the survey people are being asked to respond to
[2011/11/15 15:50]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHdOeXBWX3h5Wm9UZ2Z...
[2011/11/15 15:50]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): it relates to how to improve exhibit experiences
[2011/11/15 15:53]  Lnn Nishi: Thans Rik. The info is being collected today from the conference. Do you know if the same survey is available for a longer period of time i post conference?
[2011/11/15 15:57]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I don't know
[2011/11/15 15:57]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I think it might be shared wit hregistered participants
[2011/11/15 15:57]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): whether here or virtual
[2011/11/15 15:59]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): going into workshop for experiential makeover
[2011/11/15 15:59]  Alizarin Goldflake: i couldnt make out what he said about sl peeps
[2011/11/15 16:00]  Alizarin Goldflake: the audio is weird
[2011/11/15 16:00]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): he peaked the mic
[2011/11/15 16:00]  Dakota Jaymes (dakotaj): The audio is coming from only the left channel
[2011/11/15 16:01]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): hmmm
[2011/11/15 16:01]  Alizarin Goldflake: stop start gets you double audio
[2011/11/15 16:01]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): thanks alizarin
[2011/11/15 16:01]  Alizarin Goldflake: lotsa feedback though
[2011/11/15 16:02]  Alizarin Goldflake: some mic needs to be closed in rl
[2011/11/15 16:02]  Dakota Jaymes (dakotaj): Dakota Jaymes mutes brainbeau
[2011/11/15 16:03]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): brainbeau turn off your mic please
[2011/11/15 16:03]  Alizarin Goldflake: can i have brain's full name so i can mute?
[2011/11/15 16:04]  Dakota Jaymes (dakotaj): Brainbeau Merlin
[2011/11/15 16:04]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Sorry I'm not an admin so I can't turn off voice
[2011/11/15 16:04]  Dakota Jaymes (dakotaj): Dakota Jaymes marks Brainbeau as a possible griefer
[2011/11/15 16:04]  Alizarin Goldflake: phew!
[2011/11/15 16:05]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): just right click and block
[2011/11/15 16:05]  Lnn Nishi: ah ok thanks
[2011/11/15 16:08]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): you are in the Second Life TechMuseum space
[2011/11/15 16:09]  Bjorlyn Loon: Alisa is going over to the Second Life tABLE
[2011/11/15 16:09]  Bjorlyn Loon: Im staying over to work on the plankton exhibit
[2011/11/15 16:09]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): great
[2011/11/15 16:09]  Alizarin Goldflake: describe Alisa in rl?
[2011/11/15 16:09]  Alizarin Goldflake: blond?
[2011/11/15 16:10]  Bjorlyn Loon: yes
[2011/11/15 16:10]  Bjorlyn Loon: light blonde with glasses
[2011/11/15 16:10]  Alizarin Goldflake: asked a Q earlier?
[2011/11/15 16:10]  Lnn Nishi: He mentioned a table for Civil War history? There was a wonderful WWI Remembrance sim. Don't know if it is still there, but it was really moving. Stories of the cvets, being in a battlefield
[2011/11/15 16:10]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): by default you all are at the Second Life table
[2011/11/15 16:11]  Alizarin Goldflake: ty Rik
[2011/11/15 16:11]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): 1. does the the exhibit know that I'm here?
[2011/11/15 16:11]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): 2. Do I matter? Am I contributing something?
[2011/11/15 16:12]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): 3. Do I care? Does it meet my greatest expectations?
[2011/11/15 16:12]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): 4. Do I return? Does it have impact on me?
[2011/11/15 16:14]  Alizarin Goldflake: :)
[2011/11/15 16:14]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I'll do my best to keep you involved
[2011/11/15 16:14]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): These are exhibit makeover questions
[2011/11/15 16:21]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): do these questions stimulate you to think about your SL spaces?
[2011/11/15 16:21]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): and what works and doesn't about them?
[2011/11/15 16:22]  Alizarin Goldflake: you mean the spaces we design here?
[2011/11/15 16:22]  Alizarin Goldflake: is there a way to get his questionaire into copiable text?
[2011/11/15 16:22]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I don't have it, sorry
[2011/11/15 16:23]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): but yes, the spaces we design here
[2011/11/15 16:23]  Alizarin Goldflake: yes this is a whole new world for my brain
[2011/11/15 16:24]  Alizarin Goldflake: will there be a transcript of this conference?
[2011/11/15 16:25]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): unclear. there will be some kind of reporting I'm sure
[2011/11/15 16:25]  Lnn Nishi: I was wondering if this conference is being taped for later? I imagine there are people who were not ableto attend in either world
[2011/11/15 16:26]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): we'll find out
[2011/11/15 16:27]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): depends on if they got clearances from each of the speakers
[2011/11/15 16:27]  Lnn Nishi: Thanks
[2011/11/15 16:27]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): and if they have the funding to do the post-processing to make it available online
[2011/11/15 16:27]  Alizarin Goldflake: how is this a workshop - it seems to be a lecture
[2011/11/15 16:28]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): this is the intro to the workshop
[2011/11/15 16:28]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): should be wrapping up
[2011/11/15 16:28]  Alizarin Goldflake: it is great - not complaining
[2011/11/15 16:28]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I know. its a valid question
[2011/11/15 16:28]  Alizarin Goldflake: but that leaves like 30 minutes for the workshop
[2011/11/15 16:29]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I know
[2011/11/15 16:29]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): that's right
[2011/11/15 16:29]  Bjorlyn Loon: .
[2011/11/15 16:32]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): sorry I don't have the document to share with you
[2011/11/15 16:33]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): The Tech Museum has several computer terminals in the museum loaded with SL
[2011/11/15 16:33]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): how to integrate the SL experience with the rest of the museum
[2011/11/15 16:33]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): and extend beyond their museum visit
[2011/11/15 16:34]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): What's missing: something physical
[2011/11/15 16:34]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): no movement
[2011/11/15 16:35]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): someone suggested moving the computers outside!
[2011/11/15 16:37]  Alizarin Goldflake: let the visitors come to Tech Virtual to a model of the rl museum?
[2011/11/15 16:37]  Alizarin Goldflake: ie they can do the rl museum via sl
[2011/11/15 16:38]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): right
[2011/11/15 16:38]  Alizarin Goldflake: this part is way too short
[2011/11/15 16:38]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I think Tech Virtual has models of actual RW exhibitis
[2011/11/15 16:38]  Alizarin Goldflake: yes
[2011/11/15 16:39]  Alizarin Goldflake: but you want to relate the sl Tech museum experience to Tech RL
[2011/11/15 16:41]  Alizarin Goldflake: wow i am so bleary i am trying to copy paste off the video screen :(
[2011/11/15 16:41]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): lol
[2011/11/15 16:41]  Alizarin Goldflake: this is my 8th hour at this conference on line
[2011/11/15 16:42]  Alizarin Goldflake: first i was in reaction
[2011/11/15 16:42]  Alizarin Goldflake: which totally didnt work
[2011/11/15 16:42]  Alizarin Goldflake: Pathfinder and co didnt have the video
[2011/11/15 16:42]  Alizarin Goldflake: it was just a chat room
[2011/11/15 16:43]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): that's good to know your experience
[2011/11/15 16:43]  Alizarin Goldflake: i was kind of surprised he didnt have the video
[2011/11/15 16:44]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I think it was a last minute addition
[2011/11/15 16:44]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I didn't think JIBE worlds supported embedded video
[2011/11/15 16:44]  Alizarin Goldflake: so the deal was have the channel going on the internet and then chat about it in JIBE
[2011/11/15 16:45]  Alizarin Goldflake: this experience at Tech Virtual is far superior
[2011/11/15 16:45]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): :)
[2011/11/15 16:48]  Alizarin Goldflake: good job :)
[2011/11/15 16:49]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): lol
[2011/11/15 16:49]  Alizarin Goldflake: :))
[2011/11/15 16:49]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): so much to try and represent
[2011/11/15 16:49]  Alizarin Goldflake: to do that avatar mirror thing
[2011/11/15 16:49]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): "what is the dream?"
[2011/11/15 16:49]  Alizarin Goldflake: you would need the RFID stuff
[2011/11/15 16:49]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): yes RFID
[2011/11/15 16:49]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): the mirror would be wesome
[2011/11/15 16:49]  Alizarin Goldflake: the dream is "I can fly!"
[2011/11/15 16:49]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): exactly
[2011/11/15 16:50]  Alizarin Goldflake: hey we just did that
[2011/11/15 16:53]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): the russians dool alike
[2011/11/15 16:53]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): doll
[2011/11/15 16:53]  Alizarin Goldflake: these people need facelights
[2011/11/15 16:53]  Karima Markova: grins
[2011/11/15 16:53]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): a screen ina screen
[2011/11/15 16:53]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): yes face lights
[2011/11/15 16:53]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): lol
[2011/11/15 17:03]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): thanks for coming today
[2011/11/15 17:03]  Alizarin Goldflake: hey all the thanks on our side
[2011/11/15 17:03]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): please stay tuned for reports and resources from this conference
[2011/11/15 17:03]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I'm sure they will be posted to thetech.org
[2011/11/15 17:03]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Alizarin, you were great to have here
[2011/11/15 17:04]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): as was everyone
[2011/11/15 17:04]  Alizarin Goldflake: very much my pleasure
[2011/11/15 17:04]  Alizarin Goldflake: learned a lot
[2011/11/15 17:05]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I wish I had a trophy for you!
[2011/11/15 17:05]  Karima Markova: so many people at so many levels of understanding at that session
[2011/11/15 17:05]  Alizarin Goldflake: please give my thanks to Agent Bob :)
[2011/11/15 17:05]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): I couldn't haer most of it the second time.
[2011/11/15 17:05]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): will do
[2011/11/15 17:05]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Bob will see the chatlog later
[2011/11/15 17:06]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): sorry laboriousw
[2011/11/15 17:06]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): Np
[2011/11/15 17:06]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): hopefully you still got something useful from it
[2011/11/15 17:06]  Karima Markova: of course
[2011/11/15 17:07]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): this was me over a year ago http://youtu.be/N28VFzW7TEs and missed big chunks from stream cutting out
[2011/11/15 17:07]  Karima Markova: 21st century learners still need core content not just gimmicks as he said
[2011/11/15 17:08]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): Ah yes and hands on and also good mentors helps a ton to
[2011/11/15 17:08]  Bjorlyn Loon: It was nice to spend the day with you all.
[2011/11/15 17:08]  Alizarin Goldflake: same here :)
[2011/11/15 17:08]  Lnn Nishi: lIKEWISDE bJORLYN
[2011/11/15 17:08]  Lnn Nishi: caps :(
[2011/11/15 17:08]  Bjorlyn Loon: did you have a good time Alizarin? Lnn?
[2011/11/15 17:09]  Alizarin Goldflake: hehe I shot my caps lock
[2011/11/15 17:09]  Alizarin Goldflake: oh yes - this was great!
[2011/11/15 17:09]  Lnn Nishi: Yes. A lot of food for thought
[2011/11/15 17:09]  Bjorlyn Loon: well it was wonderful to see you again
[2011/11/15 17:11]  Alizarin Goldflake: hehe
[2011/11/15 17:11]  Alizarin Goldflake: is it 5?
[2011/11/15 17:11]  Alizarin Goldflake: lol
[2011/11/15 17:12]  Alizarin Goldflake: i got - start with the dream
[2011/11/15 17:12]  Alizarin Goldflake: start with the impractical
[2011/11/15 17:12]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): exactly
[2011/11/15 17:12]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/10/dream-movements-translate-...
[2011/11/15 17:12]  Alizarin Goldflake: then get the technology
[2011/11/15 17:12]  Lnn Nishi: e's right. Reachin to the entire famiyly.... other ways of reaching people who are not comfortable with technology too.... multiple ways of going after the same goal
[2011/11/15 17:12]  Bjorlyn Loon: yes, I find that very helpful actually
[2011/11/15 17:12]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): then bring it to reality
[2011/11/15 17:13]  Bjorlyn Loon: Good night all!
[2011/11/15 17:13]  Alizarin Goldflake: :)
[2011/11/15 17:13]  Bjorlyn Loon: See you again soon!
[2011/11/15 17:13]  Alizarin Goldflake: ty Bjorlyn
[2011/11/15 17:13]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): good night:)
[2011/11/15 17:14]  Lnn Nishi: Thanks Bjoylyn, Rik and everyone
[2011/11/15 17:14]  Alizarin Goldflake: loggin now
[2011/11/15 17:15]  Alizarin Goldflake: ah wish i were there ...
[2011/11/15 17:15]  Alizarin Goldflake: tyvm!
[2011/11/15 17:15]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): logging out
[2011/11/15 17:15]  Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): good night!
[2011/11/15 17:16]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): Tc all
[2011/11/15 17:16]  Lnn Nishi: Later :)
[2011/11/15 17:16]  …ñ ä÷Ü»∂ ’°«ü ü”Ñ…õ Ä (laborious.aftermath): hope to see you again soon
[2011/11/15 17:16]  Lnn Nishi: Thank Bob too
[2011/11/15 17:17]  Lnn Nishi: Bye
[2011/11/15 17:17]  Alaya Ch√©paspourquoi (alaya.kumaki): more interaction, yes, and yes alot of thinking, to do and bring more ideas

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